The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. We both have natal moon in house 12. how this would manifest? Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) Venus in 12th House Man. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. What do You think about Davison Chart? I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. I think this is SO true . This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . Unable to forget it? Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. WhiteLotus. He literally proposed to me the night we met. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Mercury in 12th House. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. along with Juno. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. And I learned a lot too. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. Am i trapping my self? This makes so much sense. VERY-VERY SORRY! Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Reading Nessus in the houses and signs can provide an individual with different implications. hi dawn. Hi! However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. 1. Thank you very much Dawn. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. It depends on your Venus ' condition. It doesnt matter. That was over three years ago. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. It also works the other way. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. Dont worry, Evelyne. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. venus all in the 12th house. You will both be changed deeply by it. Dear Dawn, should i run away from this relationship? Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. . I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. Thank you. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. The In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. hi dawn:) He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. The attraction was instant. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. It has been a very long journey! Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. But also to wound each other? His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? My english is not very good. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Something is whispering in their ears. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Is Your experience the same? Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) Mine is conjunct with his moon. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Id appreciate any information. Two sides of the same coin. RUN ? Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! . I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. We have had such a difficult relationship. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. scares me a bit. Thank you very much for the answer. It shapes the relationship between two persons. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. What do You think about Davison Chart? Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Hello, Skye. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. Thank you very much. Do you think that is true? I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. thundered I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. Lilith in 8 th house composite. venus+mars, etc. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. More appreciative of that special melding? Thanks. oh gosh do not i know this! My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. Mysterious things attract you. Reply. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. Any advice would be helpful. Could I ask Your opinion? You can use this to your . Its weird weird weird . Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. It is SO powerful! mercury and mercury conj. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. I just am hesitating. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. The composite chart is probably the best known. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. 4 months passed since then. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. ? What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? intresting to know why its so bad. Thank you, Tricia. They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world.